So a hunter got dragonspine trophy today
...the other rogue in the raid already had one,
and I had no dkp.. and a hunter put a massive amount of dkp in for it.
:sigh:
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It's okay for a hunter. Way better for a rogue.
I use Hourglass and Broodlust broach.
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Hunters with dragonspine = like a passive 18.5% attack speed.
It's an amazing trinket for them.
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Why build DKP if you can't spend it on what you want?
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i've heard BM hunters have issues with clipping using that item because they already have pretty fast attack speed through talents.
i've only heard though, never had one to play with.
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said by shinjuru See Profile :
Why build DKP if you can't spend it on what you want?
Eh, I haven't been to Gruul's in a long time. We've been fucking around in other 25s. I rolled on my t5. (moron mistake - yeah. Didn't realize that dst would EVER drop.) I'm still using abacus/Brooch. I wish they would've realized how much more beneficial it is to a rogue.
Our hunter is MM.
I could understand if he was BM.
Doesn't this mess with the GCD and Cast Times?
(Well as I've read?)
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said by kywirelessgu See Profile :
i've heard BM hunters have issues with clipping using that item because they already have pretty fast attack speed through talents.
i've only heard though, never had one to play with.
Any weapon hastes also affect the casting time of Steady Shot and reduces the autoshot timer, so no, there are no clipping issues.
Most BM hunters spam Steady Shot and Autoshot only.
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said by shinjuru See Profile :
Why build DKP if you can't spend it on what you want?
Eh, I haven't been to Gruul's in a long time. We've been fucking around in other 25s. I rolled on my t5. (moron mistake - yeah. Didn't realize that dst would EVER drop.) I'm still using abacus/Brooch. I wish they would've realized how much more beneficial it is to a rogue.
Our hunter is MM.
I could understand if he was BM.
Doesn't this mess with the GCD and Cast Times?
(Well as I've read?)
It reduces the casting time of shots, such as Steady Shot, but does not reduces the cooldown time of specials, such as Arcane Shot or Multishot, so yeah, it kind of screws up a MM's shot rotation, unless they have another custom shot rotation specific for when DST procs.
Edit: Not sure where this thread is heading but, yes, trinket is awesome for a rogue/fury warrior, good for a hunter too. DKP is god, you can't expect a raid leader to force someone to pass on an item simply because it would be marginally better in the hands of another, thereby totally disregarding the DKP system.
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You're guild should really look into seperating Tier 4 and Tier 5 DKP.
There is no reason why a gruul kill should get you points for loot from a Vashj kill.
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said by Omega See Profile :
You're guild should really look into seperating Tier 4 and Tier 5 DKP.
There is no reason why a gruul kill should get you points for loot from a Vashj kill.
And your guild should look into removing dkp altogether, as there is no reason any guild should use it, officer assigned is the way to go.
P.S. Don't tell other guilds how to run their stuff. You probably didn't care for me telling your your system is poor above, how do you think the other chap felt.
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said by Zyncotl See Profile :
said by Omega See Profile :
You're guild should really look into seperating Tier 4 and Tier 5 DKP.
There is no reason why a gruul kill should get you points for loot from a Vashj kill.
And your guild should look into removing dkp altogether, as there is no reason any guild should use it, officer assigned is the way to go.
P.S. Don't tell other guilds how to run their stuff. You probably didn't care for me telling your your system is poor above, how do you think the other chap felt.
Hmmm...we dabbled with an officer-assigned system when we first started Karazhan. It lead to drama and unintended favoritism.
Our system is a combined DKP and attendance, with the tiered instances separated. This prevents people from going to farm nights in tier 4 instances, then going to tier 5 instances and getting good loot without the wipes.
I'd like to know your reason why you think officer-assigned is the best. I gave a reason why I felt the tiered instances should be separate.
ps: it's a public forum and I'll give my opinion on the matter, just like you did.
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We're using DKP but with a very loudly advertised caveat that officers will override DKP in situations such as equipping a main tank or healer.
This exception has been used very sparingly, and so far only to equip the MT.
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said by Omega See Profile :
Our system is a combined DKP and attendance, with the tiered instances separated. This prevents people from going to farm nights in tier 4 instances, then going to tier 5 instances and getting good loot without the wipes.
I'd like to know your reason why you think officer-assigned is the best. I gave a reason why I felt the tiered instances should be separate.
Yeah - Seriously. Good suggestion. I agree with the drama too. But sometimes good calls just need to be made. I get 15 energy every time my offhand procs and haste just increases that. *sigh*
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We've tried split DKP in the past, MC, BWL, AQ40, etc.
I don't think splitting it works.
I find weighted DKP works better. IE: you earn DKP from farmed content at 75% the rate you earn it from progression content. (or some other percentage)
This encourages people to continue raiding farm content even after they have everything they need, and be able to use their DKP on the progression stuff. A big problem you'll eventually see without some sort of reward raiders can use from farmed content, is they'll stop showing up, then your raiders who do need stuff won't be able to get it, as you have more and more trouble filling a raid.
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said by Omega See Profile :
I'd like to know your reason why you think officer-assigned is the best. I gave a reason why I felt the tiered instances should be separate.
By separating DKP from T4 instances from T5 instances you create a rift between the haves and the have-nots. You’ll find those without need for any item in the T4 instances will most likely opt not to go since they gain no benefit. If the DKP is mixed those who don’t need anything will still attend to get the DKP. Let’s also not forget that by helping people get their T4 you are helping people get geared to complete the T5 instances with less wipes. You need gear to progress, so running Gruul’s is in essence helping the SSC run.
I don’t believe there is a perfect system for loot distribution. There are a million and one way to distribute loot and people need to find what works for them. We use officer assigned looting with defined protocols. It works for us, and our members are generally happy. I’ve used dkp with open bids, silent bids, zero-sum…. In the end they all have issues and they all have good points, but just because it is right for me doesn’t make it right for someone else… and that was the point of my previous post.
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Correct, there is a separation from the haves and have-nots, but there is a catch. Attendance is universal.
For example:
Raider A has everything he needs from Tier 4 instances.
Raider B does not.
Raider A decides that helping out the guild is no longer the best use of his time, so he doesn't show up. Raider A does not get attendance. If Raider A keeps this up, his attendance will drop below 75%.
Raider B shows up to everything. He has near 100% attendance.
Then a tier 5 instance comes a long, raiders A and B both need the same item. Because raider A did not attend Tier 4 instance raids, his attendance is below 75%. Raider B, although under geared and potentially out-tier 5 dkp'd has 100% attendance.
The loot goes to raider B.
The reason why this system was put in place was because of what happened in pre-TBC. My guild had MC/BWL/AQ40 on farm, but Naxx was no where near complete. DKP was combined. As a result, we had a ton of people log on for the BWL/AQ nights to get loot, but we could barely form a raid on Naxx nights. Then, when we finally got a boss down in Naxx, those people who high DKP due to repeated attendance in BWL (but they didn't get any loot) were able to get the first Naxx gear.